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U2U2U2



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Women favorite windsurfing rig? Reply with quote

vtm81 wrote:
My wife is an intermediate windsurfer, she weighs in the 100 lbs + (<-- she will kill me when she find out that I disclosed this online!!) and she is not very strong with her upper body.

I am in the market to buy the perfect 4.8m ~ 5.0m rig for her. IT could be a rig with SDM or RDM mast, it does not matter.

I would like to hear other women perspectives on their favorite rig and the reasons why they like it.

Thanks!


I would like to hear other women perspectives on their favorite rig and the reasons why they like it.



suppose some of you missed this part, guess I will be Tabitha for this part, yea , can see the target.

the RDM SDM issue to me is simple, 6.0 and down so long as I have a non rigged skinny thats what I use, several sails I have can go AC/DC .

my 7.5 Ezzy according to David will perform better with a fatboy 100%.
but this is about 5.0 ish size sails

to me.. the SDM performs better overpowered, the skinny better when slightly not so powered up....to me.
the SDM will float better,
the RDM hurts more when hit and possibly will cause more damage on impact to my board, sharper edge, sink faster, easier grip, especially with smaller hands, rig easier. ..oh stronger.......

Ezzy Panthers handle a huge range of wind, feel very light, bomb proof construction, John Deere like low end grunt, dead easy rigging guide built in, great resale, brilliant support, will accept RDM/SDM.

HotSails Maui Superfreak is made of Dacron, will stand up to UV rays unlike mono or X-Ply, Kevlar rope for addition strength, comes in a Ultralight UL version, even lighter, similar to kitboard kite cloth, user friendly, goes neutral in transitions, very scary quiet , comes in all the flowers mentioned or Bob Marleys face, brilliant support/forum. Will sail a little smaller than quoted size.

The Echo mentioned is a freestyle sail, have the 6.0, nice like it, won't handle high wind so well, Manic dedicated wave, four star, great engineering, detail, wants to be powered up.

what ever you may decide on; make sure the mast either RDM/SDM is compatable with the saillofts intended mast curve, extremes as very stiff or soft top, will work ok with some masts but much better with those designed for.

I have to do my nails now Wink

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bigred100



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't directly answer your question, I'm not as small as your wife (140 lbs) and have decent upper body strength for a chick. However, I'm really interested in the answer, especially since I end up giving lessons to smaller women and don't always know how to help them get comfortable in heavier winds.

Personally, I figure a lot of the 'strength' in windsurfing has to do more with leverage, tapping into your legs and core, than with your arms/upper body. When I get worn out sailing I usually figure it's a factor of lack-of-skill (not enough weight in the harness), sailing way overpowered in gusty conditions, or falling a lot and having to waterstart repeatedly. With students, I assume a lot of fatigue is from uphauling. What's the deal for your wife? What does she need the lighter kit for, if she's primarily waterstarting already? Which part of sailing gives her the most trouble where rig-weight is concerned? Thanks for your answers.

Of the sails I've tried (not enough), I always like Ezzy's and think of them as "softer" than average, which for me means they tend to accelerate more smoothly instead of being immediately "on" in a gust. This tends to make waterstarting easier as well. I do sail in a gusty lake, and I would guess all the adjustments we do for gusts and lulls might also tax the upper-body.

Ps. I second the thoughts below. Of the guys I sail with, I always know who likes to sail 0.5 m bigger or 0.5 m smaller than me in given conditions and rig accordingly. Most of this difference I attribute to weight (there are small guys too!) but some is just preference.

Pps. Your wife is lucky! I need to find a man who'll comb all over the web to find the perfect 4.7-5.0 sail with all the for trimmings me. That rocks : )

airwave wrote:
I think this question is not considering the right things. Sail size, gusty verses steady winds, etc apply to women and men at 100lbs or women and men at 200lbs

My wife is a good 50 lbs lighter than me and has quickly become a very good intermediate sailor and sails 3-4 days a week during our 6 month season.

See loves our Ezzy Wave Panthers but usually wants the sail I am using rather than one that is 1/2 meter smaller. She seems to like the power depower capability the Panthers offer and prefers to be powered on the light side of the gust. I prefer to be powered on the high side of the gust. when the wind is steady we are about .25 to .5 apart on sail size.
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PeconicPuffin



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the RDM question, my wife (110 lbs) never sails what I'd call fully powered...she's looking to plane in moderate conditions and is happy to be in the footstraps. She isn't trying to go faster than anyone or hold down an overpowered rig, so for her "sail performance" is about lightness and easyness to jibe.

She loves the RDM masts...first time she used one she said "get more of these". She liked handling it in tacking and waterstarts and whenever she needs to grab it. That it isn't as floaty hasn't been an issue (her clew sinking has been, though...she's going to try a "waterstarter" next Spring.)

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vtm81



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigRed100,

My wife is still not efficient with her waterstart skills. This means she can spend 10 mn trying waterstart.
When she can no longer waterstart, she climbs on the board and uphaul.

That's when she is complaining about the rig being too heavy and also on her way back to the beach, she is so exhausted that she finds the rig heavy.

Maybe I am misleading everybody (including myself) on the rig requirements. Maybe she just needs more time in the water to practice her waterstart? I don't know.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I might be offering a view here that seems anti-windsurfing, it's only an opinion based on my observations.

If a person is failing to waterstart successfully most of the time, they're doomed sooner or later to quit the sport. The need for uphauling, especially in planing conditions, signals a core problem. The effort to uphaul kind of spoils everything, and it increases the difficulty level that will ultimately become too much work to have fun.

When waterstarting is a problem, effective training needs to be employed. Really though, if the root practical skills don't exist, you will sooner or later have an ex-windsurfer.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtm81 wrote:
BigRed100,

My wife is still not efficient with her waterstart skills. This means she can spend 10 mn trying waterstart.
When she can no longer waterstart, she climbs on the board and uphaul.

That's when she is complaining about the rig being too heavy and also on her way back to the beach, she is so exhausted that she finds the rig heavy.

Maybe I am misleading everybody (including myself) on the rig requirements. Maybe she just needs more time in the water to practice her waterstart? I don't know.


If she has had ANY waterstart training but takes 10 minutes to waterstart, she needs to use a bigger sail. We just PUSH the sail up high and let IT do all the work while we concentrate on keeping the nose pointed off the wind a bit.

Similarly, when returning to the beach, the board, not the sailor, holds the sail up; we just stand near it and steer.

I've got to ask: How often does she lift weights -- heavy weights which allow only 8-10 reps -- in the gym?

Mike \m/
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vtm81



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isobars,

She is an intermediate so I have been told that small rig/big board is a better combo at that level.
She does not lift weigh but do lap swim.

Swchandler,
Sometimes she has a good day = easy time waterstarting, then she comes back with a big grin.
Other times, she can get discouraged....but she has not quit yet so shhhhh..=)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife loves the two North sails she has, a 6.2 Natural and a 5.0 Ice. She has no problems holding the 6.2 in 30 mph gusts, or planing on the 5.0 in 20 mph. She does have a lot of upper body strength for a woman, but does not need it for these sails (she never has blisters or sore arms, even after long sessions).
One thing that's great about the North sails are the visual guides for trimming and harness line positions. Makes rigging a lot easier for someone with little practice.

Regarding the waterstart: I have seen this being a confidence issue. Guys usually claim they can do a waterstart after doing the first one; I've seen several women, my wife included, do many waterstarts and still say "I can't do a waterstart". What solved the problem for my wife was one day of ABK camp where her group practiced waterstarts for several hours. She learned the few things she had trouble with, and now finds waterstarts easy; she usually jumps into the water instead of uphauling if the wind is strong enough. If you can't find an ABK camp that she can attend, see if you can find other good instruction for her (not by you).

As for the mast, I prefer RDM because it's so much easier to hold in tacks etc. A thing to consider here is her hand size - her hands are probably quite a bit smaller then yours. RDM masts can be a lot easier to hold with smaller hands than SDM masts. Very important if your wife uphauls or tacks a lot (unless she tacks boom-to-boom). For a little extra flotation, we always use foam boom bras, even if the boom can't hit the board.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When someone comes in my store with a problem like waterstarts or too heavy a rig and wants to know the best sail to buy to help with the problem, I always say "lessons or a video"
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